Posts tagged ‘adf’
Winter Solstice Podcasts
I was going to make a list of my favorite Druid, Celtic, Irish, Pagan, Heathen podcasts, however since it’s almost the solstice, for fun I’m going to list winter solstice/holiday season episodes. I have only listened to a few of the holiday-specific episodes, and I’m making comments as I go. So far I have a review of the Kindling the Hearthfire Yule 2017 episode.
Story Archaeology– this is a team effort between Isolde Carmody, an Irish archaeologist and Chris Thompson, a professional storyteller.
Midwinter Special: Craneskin Bag: a Santa’s Sack of Gifts from Irish Mythology
A Crock of Cobblers: a Holiday Special 2014
New World Witchery– Ep 21 Winter Lore 2010, Yuletide Cheer/Greetings! Ep 38 2011, Ep 47 2012, Ep. 58 2013, Ep. 70 2014 Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Ep. 85 2015, Ep. 103 2016, Ep. 104 Yuletide Fear (ghost stories) Ep. 120 2017 Cheer, Ep. 121 Fear,
This is about magical and esoteric traditions and folklore unique to the New World, there are interviews and discussions with practitioners from many different cultures and traditions. And to be clear, this is broader than Paganism, I would say that magical traditions in general regardless of origin, have the commonality of an animist worldview.
Kindling the Hearthfire– Ep. 8 2017 This is an ADF Druid centered podcast begun by folks in the ADF Pantheacon party suite. First part is music, poems, invocations for the season, there’s a talk by Rev. Rob Henderson about holidays that can be celebrated in the Hellenic & Roman traditions- since their seasons are a bit different than us northern folks are used to, then there’s info about the Vedic hearth culture, the Indo-European root culture of Hinduism, and a section on cooking, including an Indian recipe.
Heathen Talk– Ep. 22 Yule 2015 – Discussion of Yule, the Wild Hunt & Mannerbunde. I am going to note that the folks on this show have some very specific ideas about Heathenry that not everyone in Germanic polytheist religions share, they have a very tribal, cultural focused take on heathenry. With that in mind, it’s a great show.
Celtic Myth Podshow– retellings of Irish, Scottish, Welsh and other Celtic myths, legends and folktales, and Celtic music. This show is on hiatus but episodes are still on the website. Christmas Music Special 2009, Ep 22 Christmas Wish 2010, Ep. 32 Yuletide 2012, Ep. 38 Winter Music 2013,
Neat Polytheistic Projects
Signal-boosting some cool stuff I see other folks doing on social media- it’s not all strictly polytheistic content, but at least of interest/relevance. Let me know if there’s anything you’re working on that you’d like to share, and if I like it I will add it to my next link round-up.
Polemical Topics in Polytheism Series– this topics are all too big for me to fit into mere comments, so I may make my own posts on them!
Sarenth’s Ritual Praxis Series -this is from an intentionally pan-Germanic perspective
Podcasts-
Bespoken Bones Podcast – this podcast interviews folks from a variety of spiritual viewpoints about ancestor veneration practices.
Brute Norse– Scandinavian archeology, history and culture
Wanderings of a would-be Gael
Gaelic Roundtable for the March 2017 topic of Journeys (summer catch-up!)
I have been a Pagan of some sort for about 20 years now, which sounds more impressive than it actually is! I’ve had a tendency to be more of an armchair philosophical Pagan than much of an active practitioner, but I’d like to change that. I’d like to weave my spiritual practice into my everyday life, so it does not just feel like something walled off in a corner. I have primarily been focused on Irish culture, but am also branching into Scottish traditions as well. I am especially interested in learning more about how customs and cultures have evolved in both diasporas in Minnesota and other parts of North America and adapted to a modern urban working-class setting, rather than an pastoral aristocratic or peasant setting that tends to be the bias of medieval Irish literature and later folk customs.
During my college years I studied with two different Irish Reconstructionist groups- Tuath Choilraighe, led by Aedh Rua (who now goes by the name Segomaros Widugeni) and Temple of the River, led by Andrew Jacob (who now goes by the name Andre Solo) I have also been an on and off member of Ar nDraiocht Fein, and also studied and practiced with the Mists of Stone Forest, a druid grove that branched off of the Henge of Keltria, in turn a branch of ADF.
I am now a part of Northern Roots Grove, which is an independent syncretic Druid grove, with members of RDNA, ADF and OBOD involved. And of course, I’ve done lots of studies on my own, and gained a lot of knowledge along the way. I have also been studying the Irish language with Gaeltacht Minnesota. I am also a member of Clann Bhride, a gender-inclusive Brighidine online devotional group with a focus on social justice.
Druid ABC soup:
RDNA– Reformed Druids of North America
ADF– Ar nDraiocht Fein
OBOD– Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids
For a good comparison of these different druid groups see Susan Reed’s summaries here.
What Norse doesn’t mean
One tendency I’ve noticed in ADF, and broader American-centric Paganism is a misuse, based on misunderstanding, or sometimes laziness of the term “Norse”. Especially with the older material on the ADF website, the rituals labeled “Norse” have phrases in German, with deity names in anglicized Icelandic. Also featuring the goddess Nerthus as Earth Mother, who was worshiped by continental Germanic peoples not “the Norse”.
Actual definition of Norse– of or relating to people who spoke Old Norse in Scandinavia, and traveled and/or settled in other areas of the world, their culture, traditions, literature etc.
Norse is not the same as–
Norwegian– From Old Norse developed two branches, East Norse- Danish and Swedish and West Norse- Icelandic, Norwegian and Faroese.
Vikings– Norse people who farmed part-time, and went trading and raiding in the summer during the Viking Era. Most Norse people were not Vikings, but because of the popular image (we can especially thank Wagner’s operas)
Nordic countries vs. Scandinavia
Any Germanic culture or a Pan-Germanic mishmash– When we look at historical and literary sources for Germanic cultures, that spans everywhere from the Anglo-Saxons, the continental Germanic peoples (who often aren’t easily distinguished from the Celtic peoples- the Romans divided them with the Danube river) to Iceland and Scandinavian countries.
Other terms to sort out-
Teutonic– this is sometimes used, especially in older sources to refer to Germanic peoples inclusively or Germans specifically. Originally referred to the Teutons, a Germanic tribe mentioned by Greek and Roman writers. (More here)
German vs. Germanic– the Germanic language family, of or relating to people who speak Germanic languages and their cultures. German– citizen of modern Germany, or earlier historic chunks of land that later became Germany, sometimes used to refer to German-speaking populations around Europe and other parts of planet Earth.
Northern Tradition– I see this used to refer vaguely to Germanic polytheistic/animistic traditions, usually with a Nordic slant, and sometimes with Saami stuff added in for good measure. (Which seems rather rude, considering the erm, prickly relationship between Saami folks and non-Saami Finns, Swedes and Norwegians.)
Hellenic Polytheist/Pagan Blogs
I have sections on my blogroll for Celtic/Druid and Germanic/Heathen, but the rest are blobbed together in Pagan & Polytheists. I’m renewing an interest in Greek & Roman stuff (back when I was more into Hellenic stuff, it was the heyday of Livejournal & Yahoo-groups.) Making note of what deities/cultus they focus on, location if known, and other spiritual interests. Please let me know if you want to be added. This list includes Hellenic polytheists & pagans of varying traditions, levels of reconstruction etc.
Aspis of Ares– Pete, SE Michigan
Baring the Aegis– Elani Temperance in the Netherlands, Elaion member
Beloved in Light– Lykeia in Alaska- devotee of Apollon & Artemis, Shiva & Parvati
Bull-headed follower of a Bull God– ADF Dionysian
Drinking from the Cup of Life– Lon Sarver, Dionysian in Bay Area, CA
The Dionysian Artist– Australia
A Forest Door– Dver, spirit-work & multi-trad polytheist, see also her website BirdSpiritLand for a nexus to all her sites.
Hellenic Hearth– Lena, devotee of Hera & eclectic kitchen witch
Magick from Scratch– Thenea, ceremonial magic/mysticism in Hellenic context- not Recon
The Minoan Path– Laura Perry (not recon, but cool ideas!)
Mists to Open, Mists to Bind– Jan Avende, Hellenic Druid & ADF Priest
The Modern Hellenist– Alejandro, Boston, Mass.
Oaken Scrolls, 4 of Wands– Melia Brokaw, ADF Hellenic, devotee of Zeus
Of Thespiae– Ruadhan J. McElroy, Ann Arbor Michigan, devotee of Eros, Boetian focus, hedonist philosophy
Necropolis Now– Caroline Tully, Ph.D candidate at the Centre for Classics & Archaeology at the U of Melbourne, Australia (Greek, Egyptian and other content)
Never Unmindful– Alexei, local focus, social justice
Queen without a Court– Apollon devotee
Soul Bites– Mysticism & Craft
Strip Me Back to the Bone– Jolene, Poseidon devotee
Temple of Athena the Savior– Amanda Artemisia Forrester, Greco-Egyptian Pagan, Alexandrian witch, homesteader & templekeeper
True Pagan Warrior– T.P. Ward, devotee of Poseidon & Ares, Friend/Quaker
Under Two Trees– Mestizo paganism in multi-cultural, post-colonial Manila, Phillipines, Greco-Roman focus with indigenous Filipino, Hindu, Buddhist and other influences
Tumblogs– Gah! why does this have to be pink text on white background?
Hellenic groups–
Elaion– Quite active!
Halls of Hera– Dedicated to the worship & study of Hera- Oakland, CA
Hellenion– U.S. based, mostly online
Hellenic Round Table– Discuss monthly topics with other Hellenists!
Neos Alexandria– Greco-Roman-Egyptian syncretism
Pandemos– San Francisco Bay area collective of practitioners from diverse backgrounds, approaches and communities, united for the purpose of honoring the Hellenic gods and celebrating Hellenic culture.
Treasury of Apollon– Devotional order for Apollon
Archived Blogs (Year of last post listed)
Ariadne in Exile– 2016, Aridela Pantherina, Bacchic Orphic tradition
Boukoleon– 2015 Starry Bull Thiasos- Magna Graecian (southern Italian Greek colonies) Orphic Dionysian cultus
Flaming Thyrsos– 2014 Kenn, in Coventry, UK , a devotee of Hekate, Dionysos & Prometheus
Frankincense & wine– 2015, British, interested in lay monasticism
Hestian Lily– 2014 Lily, a devotee of Hestia & witch
Smoke from the Temple– 2014
Sightless Among Miracles (2013) , and Executive Pagan– Erik Dutton’s blogs- Longtime online acquaintance- from back in the days of Beliefnet Pagan forae- he was one of the people that came up with the idea of Religio Americana
Tending the Hearth of the Gods– 2013 Nom de Internet: Patch
Obey the Gods– 2013
Aithaloeis Theos– 2012 A space dedicated to Hephaistos
Pagan Reveries– 2012- some good stuff about poet ancestors/heroes
A Twisted Kind of Ingenue– 2012-Had to add this one after seeing this on about page: The ingenue is most interested in disability rights, the autism acceptance movement, anti-kyriarchy (the patriarchy is so passe), trans rights and acceptance, neurodiversity, young adult literature, simple living, paganism, fusion and tribal bellydance and avoiding medical bills.
Memories of Pain & Light– 2011
Labels, Identities and Boundaries
Hey, y’all! I have moved this post to my Witches & Pagans blog, Way of the Sacred Fool. I realized something rather odd. It seems when I specifically set out to write a post for W & P I end up getting stuck, but then I’ll fluently write out something for this blog. I think I need to *just write* without worrying which blog whatever I’m writing fits into and then publish accordingly!
ADF Blogs
I used to have a giant list of ADF member blogs- OK here’s a new one. Some of the same people are listed on my regular blogroll in the Celtic/Druid section, but this gives you more information.
Like I’ve done with the 30 Days of Deity Devotion, I’m sorting them into whether the person has finished their dedicant program, is currently working on it, or has a lapsed journal- (this says nothing of their status as a member or student) I’ll keep those in case they get revived. (Not judging anyone I’ve bounced back and forth with my own journaling and dedicant studies myself!) Also noted are the person’s spiritual interests and possibly their Grove. Date given is when journal was last updated.
If you have a ADF-oriented journal or website you’d like added, or want to make a correction, please comment.
ADF Groves/Proto-groves
Garry Oak Protogrove, serving the area of Vancouver Island & Lower Mainland British Columbia, Canada
ADF Members- General List
Cardinal & Locust– Three Cranes Grove, Columbus, OH
Living Liminally– Morgan Daimler, ADF, Troth, Order of White Oak, author of many cool books!
Sage & Starshine– Sage, a founder of Clann Bhride devotional group, UU et al
Current Dedicants/Finished Dedicant Blogs
Druidess Spider– Amber of Columbia PG, Portland, Oregon
Druiding it Up– Cat Heath- Germanic & Celtic
Endless Erring– Norse focus, a lover of nature & science
In a Hawk’s I– Jennifer, Hellenic (finished DP)
Shelley in the Rain– Gaelic-Heathen
A Sacred Way– current blog is at Nature is Sacred (not sure if this person is still in ADF)
Dedicant and Beyond
At the Sign of the White Hart– Kevin, SW Ontario, Welsh focus
Ditzy Druid– GreyCatSidhe- Initiate, Artisan, Grove Organizer of Northern Rivers PG in New York
Druid’s Cosmos– Victoria, also a UU, working on Initiate Program
Grey Wren’s Flight– Kristin
Hazel & Rowan– Caer is a druid, witch and warrior, member of an ADF grove in Canada
Inspirational Vision & Memory– Chelly
Pagan Grove– Molly Khan- Prairie Shadow PG Nebraska, see also her blog at Patheos, Heathen at Heart
Clergy
By Fire, Well & Sacred Tree– Rev. Davin Mac Lugh Grove Organizer of Cottonwood River PG in CA
Chronarchy– Rev. Michael J. Dangler’s website Interests: Gaulish, Vedic, Discordianism
Dandelion Lady– Rev. Melissa Hill, also see her Patheos blog Dandelion Seeds
Dragon’s Keep Farm– Rev. Skip Ellison, ArchDruid Emeritus, Muin Mound Grove, NY
Druid in the Swamp– Rev. Lauren- Priest of Nine Waves PG in South Houston, Texas
Druid Kirk– Rev. Kirk Thomas, ArchDruid Emeritus
*Ghosti– Rev. Robert Lewis’ website
Into the Mound– Rev. Ian Corrigan, ArchDruid Emeritus writes about magical practice in a Celtic polytheist context
Journeys: Thoughts from a Druid Path– Current ArchDruid Jean Pagano
Mad Trad– Bryan Perrin
Mists to Open, Mists to Bind– Jan Avende, Hellenic
Lapsed Journals
Book of Sassafras– Earrach of Pittsburgh (now in the Halls of the Ancestors!)
Ozark Pagan Mamma– Tressabelle shares all kinds of awesome Pagan parenting, ritual & craft ideas, and runs a protogrove in Arkansas
Pagan Church Lady– Laine, ADF Heathen, seidh-worker
Yew, Oak & Apple– 2017 August Excellent poetry & myth retellings
Treasure in Barren Places– Leithin Cluan, Gaelic Polytheist & OBOD- 2017 June
Bright Fire & Deep Well– 2016 Mirage
Witch of the Mountain Path– 2015 Dec
Bull-headed Follower of a Bull God– 2015 Oct
Dragonfly Musings– 2014 Aug
Homegrown Heathen– 2014 May
Ballad of Eira Silversage– 2013 Nov A Canadian transplanted to Australia
Druid Song– 2013 Nov, Along the Forest Road– June 2014 (same person
River Brighid– 2013 Nov
Under Sun & Shadow– 2013 April, Anglo-Saxon
Jacki Moss– 2013 Feb
Glynis Hawthorn– 2013 Feb Stone Creed Grove
Green Lion– 2013 Jan
ADF UMWRR Part 2: Opening Ritual & Site Notes
The opening ritual for the 1st annual ADF Upper Midwest Regional Retreat was written & led by Dale Frampton of Whispering Spirits Protogrove. Some of his fellow grove members couldn’t make it to the retreat, so he recruited some of us to fill in. We were delayed by dinner from a local pizza place taking longer than expected (we were competing with graduation parties!) Though when it finally arrived, it was delicious! All the vegetables are grown in-house and the pizza is baked in outside wood-fire ovens.
But the result of the delay was the ritual was extra dramatic- in the dark, with a tiki torch lit procession. It was pan-Indo-European to be inclusive for a group of mostly strangers, but was quite effective. We focused on asking various Gods/Spirits of the sun, sky and winds to bring us a clear sunny day on Saturday, as rain was a possibility.
The retreat was held at Deeply Rooted which is a Pagan intentional community. Long story short, it was land owned by a family for multiple generations, but the land isn’t good for farming so it wasn’t going to use. (We found out why- the soil there is almost all clay!) So Wayland, the son of the family asked his parents “Say, since we’re not using this- could I get my inheritance early?” and he incorporated into a land trust with 501c(3) status. Not sure if I got that legal terminology right. Anyhow, I had no idea what facilities to expect- I’m used to knowing what to prepare for from going to state parks or commercial campsites, so we brought everything we could possibly need. I was planning on writing a review of the facilities to prepare other folks who might be interested in visited- especially in terms of accessibility issues. But it’s a bit tricky to judge them at the current state they are in- due to all the rain and the clay-based soil, things have gotten very washed out and they have not been able to put down the foundation for the community center they have planned to build. If you could help them out with donations, that would be awesome!
While I realize there have been various attempts at Pagan community centers that did not get off the ground, this one seems very well-organized. I suspect part of it, is in the bigger cities, people have the luxury of keeping to their own little sub-groups, but in more rural areas you need to set aside your differences and band together if you want to have anything. We have lots of Pagans in the Twin Cities, but they were not cohesive enough to support the Sacred Paths Center. Deeply Rooted has a more committed community, and they are planning on doing outreach to our area, I told them I’d be happy to help with that as I am familiar with the communit(ies) here. One issue that I’m not sure if is there is another group called Earth House, that has been raising money for years by holding a festival for a supposed community center. I’m not sure where they are with that, or there would be any issue with them resenting Deeply Rooted or if there is money and willpower for them to both do their own thing. It’s mostly the Wiccan Church of Minnesota folks that are involved with it. One thing I was glad to see was that a diverse range of groups are working together on it- there are Heathens, Wiccans, Druids and other flavors of Pagans, and they also rent space to other groups.
ADF: Bridging the Gap Between Neo-Paganism & Polytheism
Initially when I began exploring Paganism, it was from talking to a friend and checking books out at the St Paul public library like Drawing Down the Moon, and books on feminist theology (Christian, Jewish & general Goddess-y goodness alike) at Hamline University, which my mother at the time was attending. The Internet, while available was a lot smaller at the time, and when you searched for “goddess” in Netsuck, you’d come up with more porn sites than pagan ones (Though I suppose in some cases they could be both!) Witchvox was the hub of the English-speaking Pagan internet, and I also hung out a lot on the Cauldron Forum, Beliefnet fora and Yahoo groups. A lot of Pagan organizations, websites, internet forae and such have come and gone, merged and split since those days. One that is still around after all this time, chugging along is ADF.
After going to this retreat, and thinking about all my experiences with ADF- both offline and on, I find myself shaking my head at this supposed conflict between Pagan and polytheist “movements”. The Pagans are wild & crazy hippies that only care about partying at Renfests & casting spells that invoke cartoon characters and the Polytheists are snooty elitists with a Holier Than Thou attitudes. Other folks have different impressions of what these words mean that are just as misleading It seems to be that ADF has been doing things as both pagans & polytheists, that each supposed “faction” thinks the other incapable of!
Regardless of how “recon” others consider us to be, people in ADF have probably done more to promote good scholarship to the general Neo-Pagan masses than any single group of polytheists in the United States at least. For some, ADF is a gateway to other types of polytheism and Druidry, and certainly a better gateway than pop Wicca!
We have room for both scholarship and personal inspiration.
We have a standard ritual structure that people can recognize wherever they visit an ADF grove or protogrove, which each grove has a unique style, and regional cultus.
We have a well-developed clergy training program, while still keeping a healthy debate about the role of clergy in and outside of ADF, as well as other training programs (Dedicant, Initiate, Liturgist, Bard, Warrior etc.)
We have people of many political viewpoints, while maintaining inclusivity of race, sexuality, gender identity, class et al. religious freedom, and conserving the environment- exactly *what policies* an individual ADF member supports in regards to these values is up to them!
Our rituals are polytheistic in practice, and we have certain principles and values we hold in common, but individual members have a variety of personal theologies. Monistic Goddess-worshippers, Liberal Christians, archetypalist Pagans and duotheistic Wiccans might attend our rituals but so long as they don’t make theological proclamations in the middle of things we don’t really care!
We use words like “worship” and “piety” that some people complain are “too Christian” but we refuse to cede those concepts to Christianity alone. Honoring the Kindreds (Ancestors, Nature Spirits & Deities) is the main focus of our rituals, joy, communal fellowship, aesthetic pleasure, and magical workings are aspects as well.
While you have to seriously win the geographic lottery when it comes to managing to find another Slavic, Hellenic, Norse or Celtic polytheist who is willing to play well with others within decent driving distance of where you happen to live (even sometimes in a big city!) by founding or joining an ADF grove, you can pool all these people together into one big Indo-European family! I’m not saying this is a perfect solution for everyone, and I know some people will prefer specificity even if it means solitary practice over compromising for the sake of having a community. But many folks who assert this often state that they are capable of and enjoy doing much of their own research and writing their own rituals and figuring out most things for themselves or happen to be loners or introverts by nature. But not everyone has the skills and resources, and whenever I see a polytheist proclaim that they want polytheism to spread and replace monotheism, and then see them snark & condescend towards people looking for basic resources I kind of wonder how they expect this to happen! Most people are busy with their jobs and families, and they might be willing to pitch in to help put together a community but they can’t all be Super-Scholar/Liturgists of Awesomeness.
I live in one of the largest Pagan communities in the country, and I still ended up joining a UU church, mainly because it gave me more stable social & emotional support than I could get from Pagan groups I could find, though it is spiritually far more general than ADF. Still I have great hopes for ADF in this region!
So to all my fellow pagans, polytheists, Heathens and Druids- in ADF and outside- keep being awesome and figuring out what is your way of doing things, share with others and support new folks (regardless of age and path)
ADF UMWRR – Part 1 General Thoughts
I had a fabulous time at the ADF Upper Midwest Regional Retreat, and Dan really seemed to enjoy it as well. He’s often felt reticent about my involvement in Paganism, not due to the religion itself, but the many difficult & problematic individuals, groups and social situations I’ve encountered. He cares about my well-being and wants me to have friends & community members that are supportive and encourage good habits rather than “poor oppressed me!” attitudes. Participating in the retreat helped us both feel a lot better about finding a Few (or more!) Good Druid/Pagan/Heathen folk, and brought us together as a couple. We learned a new amusing term- “Spagan” (capitalized or not?) short for (non-Pagan) Spouse of Pagan. I really feel it’s important to be inclusive of our Spagans at events and show our appreciation to them- as much of our participation wouldn’t be possible without them- certainly that is the case with myself! Dan has chauffeured me to many a ritual & meet-up, including having to deal with bad directions/organization & communication! So even he has a vested interest in Pagan communities getting it together!
Going further back to How We Ended Up at This Retreat…I ran into Dale Frampton, the organizer of Whispering Spirits Protogrove, in Appleton, Wisconsin at Paganicon back in March. He was the one person who recognized & commented on my Gaeltacht Minnesota shirt and asked about it in Irish. I responded a bit clumsily, we laughed and began chatting about our Irish studies, and also founded we were both ADF peeps. By that point I’d really drifted away from ADF & let my membership lapse, after various frustrations involving attempts at grove organizing, and other people starting groves in areas I couldn’t get to, but talking with him, I got more interested. Earlier, Amy Castner, the Regional Druid, had sent a survey about organizing a retreat, and I hadn’t even bothered responding, rationalizing “well even if they have a retreat, it will be some place far away that I can’t get to, so why bother”. “Midwest” in ADF tends to skew to an eastern definition, in Michigan & Ohio, though we have a lot of members & groves there though, so there are Reasons. (Besides- we can change that!) Anyhoo, other folks rose to the occasion in spite of all my cynicism. I was very excited to see a retreat much closer (around Wasau, Wisconsin) and while I was working on getting my driver’s license, it was still up in the air and I definitely needed a camping buddy, so I asked Dan and he checked with his work schedule, took that Friday off and agreed!
We also managed to connect just on Thursday with a woman in Minneapolis who needed a ride- Dale had sent me a message on Facebook, but due to my self-imposed Facebook fast for June, I didn’t get it til I saw it on my phone. (Facebook is blocked on my account on Dan’s computer, but not on my phone, but there’s using FB on a tiny screen is…annoying!) Anyhow, we exchanged emails & phone numbers, and I was really glad we managed to connect, because it turns out Joy had just joined ADF so it was a nice way to welcome her into the Fellowship, and it turned out I had met & hung out with her at Paganicon as well! She said she’d been going around asking people their paths, and trying to find other Druids, and I was the only one she found! There are more of us, but I’ve been in the TC Pagan community for 15 some years, and she’d only moved here in 2012. We plan on getting together to do Dedicant stuff after my family goes back to Wyoming.