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		<title>Comment on Finding Meaning in Suffering by Makarios</title>
		<link>http://paganleft.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/finding-meaning-in-suffering/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>Makarios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be interested in a paper by Gus diZerega entitled &quot;Love, Suffering and Evil: A Neopagan View.&quot; The pdf can be downloaded from http://www.dizerega.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/LOVSUF%20copy.PDF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in a paper by Gus diZerega entitled &#8220;Love, Suffering and Evil: A Neopagan View.&#8221; The pdf can be downloaded from <a href="http://www.dizerega.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/LOVSUF%20copy.PDF" rel="nofollow">http://www.dizerega.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/LOVSUF%20copy.PDF</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to Artisson&#8217;s Conversion Essay by games</title>
		<link>http://paganleft.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/response-to-artissons-conversion-essay/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi admin your website&#039;s design is awesome and the blog post. Please continue this great work. cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi admin your website&#8217;s design is awesome and the blog post. Please continue this great work. cheers</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to Artisson&#8217;s Conversion Essay by Free Domain Analysis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free Domain Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always refreshing to read your posts - thanks again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always refreshing to read your posts &#8211; thanks again</p>
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		<title>Comment on Iris by nakedwoadwarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>nakedwoadwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there Caelesti, I saw your comment on Tir na nOuray regarding the &quot;Dirty Secrets of Paganism&quot;, and was wondering if you would like to debate further on the subject? I do enjoy a good civil debate and find it enlightening, as often the opposition brings to fore insights I hadn&#039;t yet thought of. If you are interested, please send me a message back on my blog. If you decline then I will respect that too.

Blessings,
Bjorn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there Caelesti, I saw your comment on Tir na nOuray regarding the &#8220;Dirty Secrets of Paganism&#8221;, and was wondering if you would like to debate further on the subject? I do enjoy a good civil debate and find it enlightening, as often the opposition brings to fore insights I hadn&#8217;t yet thought of. If you are interested, please send me a message back on my blog. If you decline then I will respect that too.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Bjorn</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mental Illness in the Pagan Community by yana</title>
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		<dc:creator>yana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is my take on the subject. Is there alot of mental illness in the Pagan community? Absolutely! I also believe that mental illness is very under-diagnosed. In society it is unacceptable to say, *I am a Christian that struggles with a mental illness.* Particularly since many Christians believe that such people are demon possessed. Trust me. Christians began trying to cast demons out of when I was a small child because I have Bipolar disorder. Yet Pagans that have a mental illness are not ostrasized from their community for disclosing their mental illness. Pagans are loving, accepting people. I could walk into a Pagan get together and tell them I am a Christian and would be accepted with open arms as long as I didn&#039;t proselytize. What do you suppose would happen if I walked into a church and told them I was Pagan but please keep your preaching and/or comments to yourself? It wouldn&#039;t be long before my keister was on the front steps or they were prying for me.

I grew up in a Christian church. I watched many people on their knees at the altar sobbing while begging forgiveness for their sins. I watched many people spit, scream, roll on the floor, drool, hit people etc while having *demons* cast out of them. It seems, from my experiences, that mental illness and Christianity go hand in hand.

My point... I have found in my community the vast majority of Pagans grew up in Christian homes. Studies have proven that any kind of abuse can cause changes in the brain. The hippocampus can shrink causing mental illnesses or other parts of the brain can enlarge. Although I was predisposed to Bipolar disorder, it may have lay dormant throughout my life. However, the abuse was the key which unlocked the monster. Not saying that all Bipolars were abused, by any stretch of the imagination. But I do attend a BP support group and the majority were abused. Probably even more but didn&#039;t feel comfortable admitting it. Research is now finding that the majority of Bipolar Disorder is people who have a history of child abuse as well as the genetic factor... as with many other mental illness, whether they be axis one (clinical disorders) or axis two (personality disorders) (DSM).

So what happens when someone who grew up in a Christian home was abused? They generally leave the religion, looking for some form of spirituality many end up Pagan. That could explain some of the depression in Pagans you are seeing. Please don&#039;t misquote me as saying all mental illness stems from Christianity.

Bipolar is a general term I use because I can relate to it. However, I do believe my thoughts apply to all mental disorders.  

As far as the economic factor- perhaps that is your geographical area, or the fact that some are unable to work because of their mental illness. The majority of my community is upper middle class. I am a medical professional that struggles with BP, ADD and a bit of OCD and I make six digits a year. It has been suggested by psychiatrists and therapists that I go on disibilty and I refuse. I will not give in to this illness. Perhaps most wealthy Pagans do not show their face at an outing because they can&#039;t risk it getting out in the community. Perhaps they are solitary or have their own groups. After being in AA  for years and never seeing any professionals, I discovered professionals have their own groups. You have to show proof of credentials to become a member. Not that they think they are better -  they are protecting their protecting their practice and license. I wouldn&#039;t be a bit surprised if professional Pagans have their own groups as well. 

Depression does not always equal mental illness. There are various kinds of depression. Low grade, suicidal, situational, clinical... to name a few.

It would be nice for the Pagan community to have their own support groups, but I don&#039;t find it necessary. My group has various communities, cultures and beliefs. None of us feel it necessary to announce our religions. We discuss our spirituality without attaching a name. One of my personal pet peeves is when people go around crying discrimination because of religion, race, sex, orientation etc. Why does one feel they need to drag that into every conversation? I have a philosophy I take with me on my journey - take what you need and leave the rest. 

This is really long so I will shut up.  LOL

Don&#039;t get excited, these are only my thoughts. 

BTW... I have never met a Pagan who thought they were an elf or vampire.  ;-)

peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is my take on the subject. Is there alot of mental illness in the Pagan community? Absolutely! I also believe that mental illness is very under-diagnosed. In society it is unacceptable to say, *I am a Christian that struggles with a mental illness.* Particularly since many Christians believe that such people are demon possessed. Trust me. Christians began trying to cast demons out of when I was a small child because I have Bipolar disorder. Yet Pagans that have a mental illness are not ostrasized from their community for disclosing their mental illness. Pagans are loving, accepting people. I could walk into a Pagan get together and tell them I am a Christian and would be accepted with open arms as long as I didn&#8217;t proselytize. What do you suppose would happen if I walked into a church and told them I was Pagan but please keep your preaching and/or comments to yourself? It wouldn&#8217;t be long before my keister was on the front steps or they were prying for me.</p>
<p>I grew up in a Christian church. I watched many people on their knees at the altar sobbing while begging forgiveness for their sins. I watched many people spit, scream, roll on the floor, drool, hit people etc while having *demons* cast out of them. It seems, from my experiences, that mental illness and Christianity go hand in hand.</p>
<p>My point&#8230; I have found in my community the vast majority of Pagans grew up in Christian homes. Studies have proven that any kind of abuse can cause changes in the brain. The hippocampus can shrink causing mental illnesses or other parts of the brain can enlarge. Although I was predisposed to Bipolar disorder, it may have lay dormant throughout my life. However, the abuse was the key which unlocked the monster. Not saying that all Bipolars were abused, by any stretch of the imagination. But I do attend a BP support group and the majority were abused. Probably even more but didn&#8217;t feel comfortable admitting it. Research is now finding that the majority of Bipolar Disorder is people who have a history of child abuse as well as the genetic factor&#8230; as with many other mental illness, whether they be axis one (clinical disorders) or axis two (personality disorders) (DSM).</p>
<p>So what happens when someone who grew up in a Christian home was abused? They generally leave the religion, looking for some form of spirituality many end up Pagan. That could explain some of the depression in Pagans you are seeing. Please don&#8217;t misquote me as saying all mental illness stems from Christianity.</p>
<p>Bipolar is a general term I use because I can relate to it. However, I do believe my thoughts apply to all mental disorders.  </p>
<p>As far as the economic factor- perhaps that is your geographical area, or the fact that some are unable to work because of their mental illness. The majority of my community is upper middle class. I am a medical professional that struggles with BP, ADD and a bit of OCD and I make six digits a year. It has been suggested by psychiatrists and therapists that I go on disibilty and I refuse. I will not give in to this illness. Perhaps most wealthy Pagans do not show their face at an outing because they can&#8217;t risk it getting out in the community. Perhaps they are solitary or have their own groups. After being in AA  for years and never seeing any professionals, I discovered professionals have their own groups. You have to show proof of credentials to become a member. Not that they think they are better &#8211;  they are protecting their protecting their practice and license. I wouldn&#8217;t be a bit surprised if professional Pagans have their own groups as well. </p>
<p>Depression does not always equal mental illness. There are various kinds of depression. Low grade, suicidal, situational, clinical&#8230; to name a few.</p>
<p>It would be nice for the Pagan community to have their own support groups, but I don&#8217;t find it necessary. My group has various communities, cultures and beliefs. None of us feel it necessary to announce our religions. We discuss our spirituality without attaching a name. One of my personal pet peeves is when people go around crying discrimination because of religion, race, sex, orientation etc. Why does one feel they need to drag that into every conversation? I have a philosophy I take with me on my journey &#8211; take what you need and leave the rest. </p>
<p>This is really long so I will shut up.  LOL</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get excited, these are only my thoughts. </p>
<p>BTW&#8230; I have never met a Pagan who thought they were an elf or vampire.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>peace</p>
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		<title>Comment on Independence from Politics by Celebrating the Spell of Democracy &#171; Chrysalis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celebrating the Spell of Democracy &#171; Chrysalis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Politics and Polytheism ~ Independence from Politics [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on On the Value of Democracy by Yewtree</title>
		<link>http://paganleft.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/on-the-value-of-democracy/#comment-583</link>
		<dc:creator>Yewtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you.  I dislike unaccountable and undemocratic groups.  Our coven is democratic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you.  I dislike unaccountable and undemocratic groups.  Our coven is democratic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to Artisson&#8217;s Conversion Essay by caelesti</title>
		<link>http://paganleft.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/response-to-artissons-conversion-essay/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>caelesti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! Sure, my rss feed can be found here: http://paganleft.wordpress.com/feed/
I&#039;d be happy to trade any good &amp; relevant links (but then I&#039;m interested in a pretty broad range of topics!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! Sure, my rss feed can be found here: <a href="http://paganleft.wordpress.com/feed/" rel="nofollow">http://paganleft.wordpress.com/feed/</a><br />
I&#8217;d be happy to trade any good &amp; relevant links (but then I&#8217;m interested in a pretty broad range of topics!)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to Artisson&#8217;s Conversion Essay by caelesti</title>
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		<dc:creator>caelesti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Spirituality &amp; Culture by seerkind</title>
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		<dc:creator>seerkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will definately check out your blog on recon.  I think it is very useful for those who lean towards CR like us need to save this idea/tradition before it sinks like the Titanic! lol Bring a little innovation in, like you said, before we get a rep like the Asatrur. My blog link is:

http://seerkind.wordpress.com/
Mind you, its sparse right now-just not enough time in the day!

Slán go foill!
Branwynn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will definately check out your blog on recon.  I think it is very useful for those who lean towards CR like us need to save this idea/tradition before it sinks like the Titanic! lol Bring a little innovation in, like you said, before we get a rep like the Asatrur. My blog link is:</p>
<p><a href="http://seerkind.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://seerkind.wordpress.com/</a><br />
Mind you, its sparse right now-just not enough time in the day!</p>
<p>Slán go foill!<br />
Branwynn</p>
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